With recent events surrounding the FLDS compound in Texas, I thought I would delve a little into the discussion of polygamy and why in a North American (and perhaps more broadly "Western") context it is a social structure which does not square with either our social norms or our laws.
The argument has been made repeatedly by various people that legalizing gay marriage would ultimately lead to legalization of polygamy. I do not believe that such is the case, and I will lay out some of my reasons for disagreeing with the initial claim.
In my view, the FLDS group stands as a case study in all of the things that can go horribly awry within the context of a polygamist society that is attempting to exist within contemporary society.
(1) Polygamy creates an environment which artificially imposes a secondary status on one of the parties. In the case of the FLDS, because they permit a man to have multiple wives, it is the woman who is relegated to a secondary status in the relationship. (Among other points, one has to wonder just what happens in these environments when a woman passes beyond her childbearing years, especially when the male is permitted to establish relations with women over a full generation younger than himself.
(2) Isolation. Although this is a reaction to both the group's perception of being persecuted, as well as laws which prohibit polygamy more or less across the western world, the FLDS response of walling themselves off from the rest of the world has proven to be a social disaster, as it removed some of the other social barriers.
Although modern society is strongly individualistic (I'll come back to this in a bit), we exist within the context of a very broadly based society that is anchored in a sense of national commonality. The self-imposed isolation of the FLDS has created an artificial tribal structure which operates with a hierarchy and set of social guidelines that are distinctly separate and at odds with the greater body of society around it.
(3) Ephebophilia
There are very serious allegations of child molestation involved here. I do not believe that the people involved here are psychological pedophiles, but legally they appear to have engaged in child molestation.
Superficially, I imagine that this has much to do with a combination of isolation, and the removal of the social barriers that would ordinarily prevent adults from expressing sexual interest in underage youth.
This is by far the most troubling aspect of the entire FLDS situation in Texas. In this situation, we have a series of decisions being made by the adults which profoundly affect their children in ways that are deeply negative to the psychological well-being of the individual.
Legal Considerations
There are significant legal considerations involved when assessing polygamy.
First of all is the fundamental principle in western legal traditions that rights are assigned to an individual. This means that the legal rights and status of each individual within the FLDS compound are in fact equally protected by law.
Yet, it is equally clear that the society that has been evolving within that compound does not in fact implement that legal equality. How can I make such a broad pronouncement without having seen the society intimately?
From where I sit, there is significant evidence from several respects. First of all, involving underage girls in sexual relationships speaks volumes about the social value that is being assigned to women in that context. The expectation appears to be that a woman's primary function in the world is the production of children, and her other attributes as a person take second place to that. One can imagine how that would translate into restricted access to education, as well as other subtle, arbitrary limitations being placed on these young womens' lives.
In general, legal rulings in both Canada and the United States have held that someone's rights cannot be arbitrarily abandoned. In other words, although you may choose not to exercise those rights, the right itself has not been removed. Polygamy, along with other tribal social constructs tends to focus upon collective rights which often conflict with individual rights and freedoms. Although our laws do reflect some sense of collective rights, they tend to do so only in areas where those collective rights are complementary to individual rights, not in conflict with.
I am certainly aware of polyamorous relationships which exist within the broad fabric of society. These are perhaps considerably different from the isolationist situation we have in Texas as they are attempting to exist within the overall norms of our culture. (How successfully is open to discussion, for I am not close enough to this subgroup in society to have any strong evidence either way)
The situation in Texas should be viewed as a caution flag when considering polygamy in the broader context of society and law. By placing itself apart from the broad fabric of society, the FLDS has created an environment where practices that are known to be damaging to individuals are sanctioned.
In many respects, this is not a condemnation of polygamy itself, but rather the Texas situation speaks loudly against any tribal social construct that attempts to hold itself apart from the social and legal fabric in society.
As with any social relationship, if the balance between the participants is not equitable, then one can expect all kinds of unfortunate outcomes. (It is not as if utterly dysfunctional or abusive situations don't happen in "traditional" marriage scenarios either) The real question is whether or not the Texas situation tells us something about the problems that polygamy can create, or does it merely show us the ugly outcome of strict social isolationism? (Just as the Jonestown incident tells us a great deal about the dangers when a religious cult goes too far)
I suspect that because polygamy tends to suggest a tribal social construct, and that it requires the gender which is on the "many" side of the relationship to accept a subservient status to the singularity (often male) that it would be hard for our lawmakers to create a law that would be able to define a legal recognition of polygamy that did not substantially infringe upon the rights of the parties involved.
Human nature is such that in any social construct a hierarchy of power will tend to emerge. This is not necessarily bad unless the hierarchy of power that emerges ceases to provide all participants with the right to decline their participation in the situation. (Someone under the age of majority is not held to have the capacity to make such decisions, and has a right to be protected from exploitation by their parents - something which the FLDS situation seems to have lost sight of)
To draw us back to the opening conversation, the key distinction I make between polygamous situations and same-gender marriages is that where most same-gender couples wish to exist peacefully within the fabric of society, we cannot make quite the same assessment of polygamy, which seems to often be associated with religious movements that wish to hold themselves apart from the greater body of society.
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Rumour has it that the BC Attorney General is unwilling to go after the Bountiful FLDS group near Creston because they don't want to risk a Charter challenge that they don't think they can win. Thus they take a blind eye to the similar actions there.
I think this is only possible because the ambiguity of language forces a false equivalence between what the FLDS practices and what a 21st century Poly marriage would actually look like.
Poly marriage would probably look like a legally sanctioned subset of polyamourous relationships, crossed with a corporation.
The FLDS doesn't do that, it's simply a societally approved way of subjugating women.
If it came down to a charter challenge, they'd argue that the first is perfectly reasonable (especially given the reality of same-sex marriage in this country).
They'd then do some hand-waving and say that because that's been approved, what they do is legal.
Obviously I don't buy it. I think that any challenge to FLDS polygamy should make very clear that demoting women to second-class status is not acceptable.
Of course, I've long maintained that BC shouldn't charge them with bigamy - they should charge them with pimping.
the utah attorney general this “caiaphas shurtleff” got the legislature of utah to raise the age in utah from 14 to 15 because he knew this would allow the law enforcemtn to persecute the people whose religion he opposes.
And what is the difference between 14 yo and 15 yo anyway. one day??
And i can verify that none of the polyg girls are sluts and none have taken the LBT (low back tattoo). this is why they are being persecuted.
the local govrenment devils want all girls to be whores and sluts like their own wives and daughters. It makes them feel inferior when they think of the pure polyg girls but have to look at their own tattooed up whorish women. to be honest, i sympathize with them. those ugly faded tattoos combined with the stench of cigerette butts is a romance killer for sure.
Ummm...wow Anonymous.
That's so incoherently paranoid I could swear that you forgot to take your medications.
You also must have missed the point where there is evidence in Texas that at least one of the young women involved has given birth to four children - before she was sixteen. You do the arithmetic.
The FLDS' version of polygamy is based on the belief that the man's place in heaven is tied to how many children he has on earth--it seems with that in mind the man's entire mindset is based on how many women he can marry and how many children each one of these women can have (what does happen to the woman who is barren or can't have but one child?).
One girl I saw on some program said that her father was so much older than her that he never even realized he was her father and was always trying to send her home with the other grandchildren.
I heard a woman who got out of one of these communities the other night--she explained that the men married the girls so young so the girls wouldn't know any better--she added that many of the women suddenly woke up at age 25 but were trapped with 5 children or more. How could she leave with her children and how could she leave without them? The other reason for marrying the girls so young is to insure all the more children.
ZombieWolf,
An interesting set of observations, and ones that are certainly consistent with my understanding of the picture as well.
In many respects you are reinforcing my belief that in the the context of the FLDS group, polygamy subjugates women, and essentially treats them as an object whose role is primarily to produce children.
Anonymous 5:08:
Winston, is that you?
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