Back in the comments over here, we have quite a doozy of a comment that warrants a more detailed response, because there are underlying assumptions and beliefs that are encompassed that range from misguided to flat out wrong.
Wow - where to begin with this? Let’s start with long standing campaigns to erase transgender people from society. Those range from accusing the transgender community at large of being “groomers” (coded slang for pedophiles), to denying them access to public washroom facilities, and a plethora of laws being tabled which are clearly designed to all but ban transgender people from accessing needed health care, or even basics like the right to exist peacefully in their communities (and it’s in the order of hundreds of these laws in the US, and other countries like the UK and Canada have similar campaigns but the scope of them isn’t as ridiculously huge for a number of reasons).
Discrimination is an ongoing problem for the transgender community, resulting in everything from being excluded socially to under-employment. Laws like Canada’s C-16 are helpful in setting the tone and providing guidance to the courts, but they are a long ways from addressing the underlying societal prejudices. It’s stunning how much discrimination and hatred is claimed in the name of people’s “deeply held religious beliefs” (something I argue is used as a shield for holding “views” that are otherwise reprehensible, especially in the context of what their religion preaches on other matters).
At its core, the most fundamental of rights - that of being able to move through society without facing a constant barrage of hostility, discrimination, and hatred - is routinely denied to transgender people (and transgender women in particular). There are clearly those who would round all transgender women up and lock them away in camps (and yes, I’ve seen musings on the part of US anti-trans activists along those lines).
The accusation that “transgender people are lying about their sex” is one of the oldest canards in the anti-transgender arsenal, and it’s based on a deeply misguided understanding of what being transgender means. In an ultimate irony, it’s rooted in a deeply misogynistic belief about women in general. The idea of trans women as “deceivers” has long been a staple of attempted defences in court cases ranging from rape to murder. If it sounds familiar, it’s because it’s based on the same false premise as the argument that “because a woman was dressed a particular way, she was “leading the man on” - it’s a variation of the Madonna/Whore paradox. One might call the transgender equivalent of this the Woman/Drag Queen paradox. Anti-transgender misogyny is still misogyny at its core, and it takes on many of the same tropes as a result.
Which leads us into what our commenter calls “the weeds” of the sex versus gender issue. Except it’s not “the weeds” at all, because it’s a point that is deeply central to the experience of being transgender. Going back to Harry Benjamin’s works on the matter, we find a fairly consistent pattern of transgender people saying (in essence) that their inner experience of their bodies and their experiences socially are deeply discordant with their overall person. They see themselves one way, but they experience a social environment based on their body which they often cannot relate to at all.
Allow me a bit of a sidebar discussion here of the relationship between the body and social roles:
One feature of transgender narratives that is important to understand is the understanding that the body and social roles in our society are deeply intertwined. That is to say that being a woman in society has both physiological as well as social components. Likewise, so does “being a man”.
Some of those components are biologically essential - the ability to bear children is often cited as an example, yet at the same time we also know that just because a person can bear children doesn’t necessarily mean that they are psychologically inclined towards the kind of nurturing and caregiving that is intrinsic to being a mother (it doesn’t mean that they are necessarily abusive, just that they have no interest in being a parent - tragically this is sometimes only discovered after the birth of a child).
However, there is an entire social sphere that exists associated with the general idea of being a “woman”, and that covers a wide range of factors, ranging from social connections to how one is interacted with in public settings. The concepts of manhood or womanhood have multiple facets, and it is important to recognize that a lot of it is social, not intrinsically biological in nature. Transgender people are acutely aware of this kind of distinction, and they take many difficult steps in life in order to fit in to the social context that feels more natural to them.
Which brings me to the issue around “trans women are women”. The class “woman” in our society has both physical and social / emotional components. At their core, the transgender woman is a feminine person who happens to start off with a male physical body. So, the statement our commenter makes about “transgender women are feminine” is in some respects correct. But - society as a whole has this binary conceptualization that we have “men” and “women”, and frankly a “feminine man” is in for a very rough life at the hands of the other “men” in society. From a social perspective in particular, the statement “trans women are women” is quite true.
That brings me to matters of sex denominators on public identification documents. There are a whole host of reasons why it’s important for transgender people to be able to change those documents. Putting a transgender woman into the male lockup after an arrest is basically setting the person up for a violent assault or worse (yeah - we know damn well that assault and sexual assault is a thing in men’s prisons - we’ll come back to that in a bit). Similarly, sending a transgender man into the ladies’ changing room isn’t exactly setting things up for a successful outcome either. Here, the social aspects of “man” and “woman” often prevail over the physical aspects of their bodies.
Although I don’t agree entirely with Ann Fausto-Sterling, her book “Sexing the Body” is a fairly decent exploration of the complex interactions between the physical and social aspects involved here. Similarly, from a more transgender feminist perspective, Julia Seranno’s “Whipping Girl” explores more of the complex subject.
What about “women-only” public spaces (locker rooms, washrooms, etc)? On this subject, I see it as a matter of individual judgment and behaviour. Transgender women have been using “the ladies’ room” for a lot longer than the current anti-trans panic has been around, and for the most part there simply hasn’t been a problem.
Sure, many salacious headlines are written when a transgender person _DOES_ step out of bounds and engages in anything from voyeurism to sexual assault in these contexts, but let’s be realistic here - it’s not a common occurrence. As with other forms of transgression where an individual’s actions become harmful to others, we deal with them individually. We do not engage in “class punishment” by attacking the entirety of a group because of the actions of individuals.
To wit - “Holy Transphobia, Batman!”. This is a stereotype - and stereotypes like this are profoundly misguided. I’ve been around the transgender community for a very long time, and while I would say that among transgender women, there is often a point in their transition that they make some questionable fashion choices, the proverbial “loud bearded woman” thing you’re describing here is little more than a caricature and quite distant from any objective reality. Let’s try having a real conversation about what transition looks like, and what it means to not be a social asshole to others.
First, transition is a process, and people have to learn sometime, somehow. Most transgender women make a sincere effort to fit into the world of women as unobtrusively as possible. Yes, there are a few who engage in something called “Gender Fuck” - which is what you may be describing - but they are rare, and usually only do that after becoming frustrated with some of the dumbfuckery that they are exposed to on a daily basis doing routine things like grocery shopping. Is every transgender person going to be 5’2”, 100lbs and “passing pretty” - hell no, but then again, women in general comes in a huge range of body types, so what?
As for “freedom of association”, “freedom of belief”, etc. Nobody is asking you to “associate” with that person. If you see them in the washroom or changing room, just leave them alone. It’s not hard. You can associate with whomever you like, you can believe whatever you wish about them - I doubt they particularly care. If you start projecting your beliefs onto them, by, for example, using masculine pronouns and they tell you that’s not appropriate, how hard is it to back off and use whatever pronouns they tell you to use? It’s called common courtesy. If someone uses a nickname and you hate nicknames, do you not tell that person “please don’t do that”?
Most of what this talks about, I’ve already addressed earlier. However, it is revealing of several assumptions which need to be examined more specifically.
First is the idea of “sex-based” here. I’ve already discussed how “man” and “woman” are as much social roles as they are rooted in the physical body. The bugaboo here seems to be the mere idea that someone in the “ladies” might possibly possess a penis. When we are talking about washroom facilities, the room marked “ladies” is all but universally individual stalls. So, it’s difficult to understand how a transgender woman using a stall is any more of a threat than any other woman, regardless of whether they have undergone genital surgery or not. Someone trying to peer over, or under a stall is engaging in inappropriate conduct regardless of their genitalia. As I previously noted about the issue of sexual assaults, we have to recognize that those happen, but to engage in collective punishment / restriction of a population because of the actions of one or two individuals is simply repugnant.
The second part of your claims rests upon the general idea that “some sexual predators will claim to be transgender to gain access to prey”. I’m not going to argue that there are no sexual predators in the transgender community - such a claim is trivially refuted. However, such overlaps are rare and it’s going to be even more rare for an actual predator to “dress up as the prey”. The reason for this is fairly simple: most sexual predators are engaging a power and violence motivated behaviour, and it is highly unlikely that they will “dress up as their prey” because that would be symbolically emasculating themselves.
Further, I would like to point out to you that women in general are not above committing sexual assault either. The research on this is still fairly sparse, but consider the following exploration of the subject in women’s prison facilities.
The long and short of my point here is that even those who are assigned female at birth (AFAB), and are raised in the appropriate gender role are not above being sexual predators either. I would argue that someone who is transgender, and has been socialized in their chosen gender role is unlikely to be any more of a danger.
Someone possessing a penis, or having possessed a penis in the past, does not make them intrinsically a threat. If that was the case, we would have locked men away from women entirely decades ago. But it’s similarly inappropriate to say that a transgender woman is a “man” because socially and emotionally, they ARE NOT (and your own argument earlier seems to recognize this). Further, such suppositions make no sense when we are talking about those who have undergone surgeries, yet these broad stereotyping approaches attack all transgender people regardless of their individual realities.
I would go so far as to suggest that you have likely interacted with transgender women in a wide range of contexts, including “sexed spaces”, and not even realized it, much less having had some catastrophic event occur as a result. Using individual events without evidence of there being a wider problem in the transgender community is disingenuous and suggests that you are falling into believing stereotypes that have no more validity than those which were used to justify segregation in the US, and Apartheid in South Africa.