Monday, June 16, 2008

Confronting Ignorance

It strikes me that if organizations like Lifesite News want to achieve actual credibility, they might start by not linking to the incredibly stupid work published over at Wingnut Daily.

Entitled "Where are all the homosexuals?", the article postulates that since a number of GLBT-themed movies in recent years only garnered modest fractions of the box office receipts, that somehow the number of people affected by the GLBT rights movement is too small to warrant consideration in law.

The problems with this kind of reasoning are myriad - starting with the attempt to connect two unrelated topics together - civil rights and movie box office receipts and running into the classic problem of minority rights in the face of an overwhelming majority.

The first problem is simple - the claim implied is that because few people go to movies with GLBT themes, there just aren't enough GLBT people out there to matter. First of all, that makes a pretty broad statement about the assumed interests of GLBT people. Not all GLBT people want to watch movies that are portrayals of their community or world. Often, the movies themselves rely on horrible stereotypes or other factors that do not reflect the reality that many GLBT people live. The second point is that nobody's civil rights - especially to live a peaceful existence - are EVER subject to how much they spend at the movie box office.

In fact, along with articles about human rights issues such as Organization of American States Approves Homosexual "Human Rights" Resolution" and Interview with a Persecuted Christian Pastor, it's hard to imagine just how deeply ignorant these people really are about those that they share the world with.

Consider the following from the first article:

"Gender identity" refers to the gender an individual claims to have, rather than his actual gender. Homosexual activists urge that such people be given "rights" allowing them to identify with whatever gender they wish.


Consider the use of the quotation marks around the terms 'rights' and 'Gender Identity' - these are nothing more than a sneering attempt to dismiss as invalid the experiences of real people. The rights in question in such situations are nothing more than explicitly recognizing that firing someone from their job, or denying them service simply because they are cross-gender people, is wrong. Not just a little bit wrong - a lot wrong.

"The Lula administration is showing a solid determination to promote the homosexual agenda in a world scale," said Severo. "Its first attempt to introduce it in the UN was frustrated by a strong Muslim opposition. Yet, it did not give up. It is directing now its efforts through the Organization of the American States without the same strong opposition. Muslims have shown more courage than Christians."


Considering how often I hear how western soldiers in Afghanistan or Iraq are "protecting women's rights" and so on, this statement reeks of hypocrisy and stupidity. The statement that "Muslims have shown more courage" is simply dead wrong. Muslims have shown us that politically they have yet to accept the reality that GLBT people exist, are very much a part of society and basically harmless. You can't on one hand criticize Islam for its treatment of women and children and then turn around and praise it for its hostility towards GLBT people. They are two faces of the same coin.

Discrimination against minority populations like GLBT people is the tactic of the bully. Groups that represent less than 10% of the gross population are simply too small to have any significant clout - which makes them easily demonized. Similarly, in society contexts where the sheer physical strength of men is highly valued, the smaller stature and physical strength of women tends to equate to second class status. It is only when you accept both genders as legal and social equals that the GLBT minority becomes understandable.

Which brings me around to the interview with Alberta's own high profile anti-gay letter writer - Stephen Boissoin.

The problem, says Boissoin, is that he has never felt any hate towards homosexuals. While Boissoin admits that he used impassioned and strong language in his letter to the editor on homosexuality, published in the Red Deer Advocate, language that some may have been offended by, he says his intention in doing so was simply to shake people of good will into recognizing that the radical homosexualist agenda has made significant inroads into Canadian law, and schools in particular.

"I certainly don't feel any anger or bitterness towards anyone who's homosexual," says Boissoin.


No, Stephen, I'm sure you don't have any anger at all. After all, your letter only equated GLBT people with drug dealers, pimps and pedophiles. No anger there at all.

"I did not have what I believe is an equal opportunity to not only speak what my context and the interpretation of my letter was - after all I'm the one who wrote it, I should be able to interpret it. What I felt at the Tribunal hearing, and in the public, there's been a lot of this, where people have had the - like the Darren Lunds - liberty of interpreting the letter for me."


You know - I'm really getting sick of the "I was quoted out of context" line coming from these people. The letter in all its objectionable glory is here - not much to take out of context there. It's short and to the point - and entirely based on an utterly ignorant understanding of GLBT people.

Why does this kind of ignorance deserve to be publicly confronted? Because if it is not, we give leave to others to use those same attitudes to engage in physical violence against others - for no better reason than fear that will inevitably sprout from the fertile grounds that suppression and denial will create.

I am not saying that religion has no place in the public square, far from it, rather that the exercise of religious freedom in the public square must also respect the legitimate rights of others, regardless of how any religion views those "others".

8 comments:

valiantmauz said...

Did you see this article in the New Scientist yet?

Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex

Persuasive evidence that orientation is largely fixed at birth or in infancy. I'll bet they find something similar for transgendered folks one day.

Stephen Boissoin said...

You state, "I am not saying that religion has no place in the public square, far from it, rather that the exercise of religious freedom in the public square must also respect the legitimate rights of others, regardless of how any religion views those "others"."

I honestly think that you are a very intelligent individual and though we obviously have different opinions, I agree with what you state above.

I think that what you are misunderstanding or need additional information on is that the homosexuals CAN state their disagreement with traditional Christianity. They can also state that the hate Christianity and even hate Christians in the public area. They CAN can Christians bigots, hateful, ignornant and far worse. They CAN have their views taught in schools BUT social conservatives, regardless of religous belief are no longer entitled to the same 'legitimate' rights. That is not simply my opinion but it is more and more becomming common knowledge. Even homosexuals that contact me, agree. Regardless how a person in a leadership position disagrees with homosexual activism while attempting to defend their position, they are persectued.

What about our rights?

Peace

Stephen Boissoin

MgS said...

Are you sure you haven't confused rights with entitlements?

Your rights remain quite intact.

Your sense of entitlement which justifies demanding that a group of society be treated as second class citizens is running into the reality that there is no good reason to do so.

If you put forth an argument that is rooted in facts that can be examined, verified and/or refuted, few will complain - in fact you are more likely to get the discussion you claim was the objective of your letter in 2002.

An argument rooted in assertion and dubious (if not outright invalid) connections between unrelated issues is going to be challenged - with good reason, especially when the argument is calling an entire population segment "wicked", and making a "call to arms".

Stephen Boissoin said...

"If you put forth an argument that is rooted in facts that can be examined, verified and/or refuted, few will complain - in fact you are more likely to get the discussion you claim was the objective of your letter in 2002."

Really, what was Dr. Chris Kempling's crime? You are obvously opposed to my faith and my position. Due to this, my facts are never satisfactory to you.

There sems to be no way meet you in the middle or so it seems.

You're right, it is my entitlement to have free speech, to protect my religious teachings and when they are attacked, I will defend them. If gay activism backs off and ensures the protections of my entitlements, we will back off. Till then, the pro-gay movement is causing the backlash against them. Like I previously stated, they have now gone to far and are trampling on my rights which I am entitled to. I am entitled to believe that homosexuality is wrong, wicked, immoral etc and I am also entitled to teach against it. They are entitled to do the same BUT we have to meet in the middle somewhere so we can exist together. It is impossible to silence Christianity. The more you try the more determined it becomes.

Consider...Darren Lund the complainant against me attacks Samaritan's Shoebox program because of its secondary agenda, evangelism via a tract in the box. He states that religious materials do not belong in public schools. BUT while teaching in Red Deer at a public school, he invites a pro-gay minister to come in and teach the pro-homosexual interpretation of the Bible (no such thing) but does not invite a minister that holds the traditional view in order to provide a balanced perspective. A little intentionally biassed I would think. Would the homosexual not be offended if you reversed that scenario and I thought Lund felt that religious does not belong in public school. Oh, but only if it benefits his position and I guess your argument could be that the traditional view has been preached in public schools for decades....so he decided to...yadayadayada. BS

You can justify this type of bias that intentionally excludes the other options however you like but this tyoe of bias remains true across Canada and will be opposed.

We either have to live together respecting each others rights to exist or...????? I don't have all of the answers but I am open to coexistence if my entitlements are protected.

Peace.

Stephen Boissoin

MgS said...

First of all, I'm going to take you to task for pulling in unrelated subjects. Neither the Samaritan's Purse nor the Kempling case are directly related to your own conduct.

The Kempling situation I have stated my position on here.

The Samaritan's Purse case is one that I don't entirely agree with Lund's argument myself. I have some discomfort with the practices of the organization, but it falls into the "I don't have to participate" category for me.

My problem with the "social conservative" argument remains very simple. You are free to believe what you wish, and within the context of the community that shares those beliefs, to speak as you will.

In the public arena, there is an obligation to state your case with evidence and facts to back up your position. Simply declaring someone else "immoral" based on biblical teachings (as you see them) is not adequate grounds upon which to demand that the broad swath of public policy should align with that belief. You must provide reasoned FACT to back up the position.

Returning to your letter of 2002, you very clearly called GLBT people "wicked" and made certain moral judgments about that community. However, you failed to produce either supporting evidence or relevant scripture to back up your argument. Which puts your argument in the land of "Argument by Assertion" - largely a bunch of claims with little or no truth value to them.

That kind of argument IS a problem. If, hypothetically, I were to accuse Christians of sacrificing babies in secret, it would be little different. At best I have made a questionable assertion - if I want the claim to "stick", I must provide supporting evidence to back that claim up - otherwise the claim is fundamentally empty and arguably intended to accomplish no more than to spread anti-Christian sentiment.

It cuts both ways. I have discussed the tension between the rights of individuals before on this blog - (Repeatedly.

I am not oblivious to the reality - nor do I necessarily believe things are "in balance" right now - but I don't believe anyone is entitled to attack an entire group in the population with broad aspersions, either.

Stephen Boissoin said...

Take me to task? Ah, ok.

You said "I am not oblivious to the reality - nor do I necessarily believe things are "in balance" right now - but I don't believe anyone is entitled to attack an entire group in the population with broad aspersions, either.

nor do I...that is my letter was about "gay activism" that targets children and youth.

You said, "You must provide reasoned FACT to back up the position." I have and the CCC has but you have a different view anyways so what I say carries no weight with you regardless. You look to the opposing scientific theory.

The scientific evidence suggests that homosexual practices are not healthy but instead physically dangerous.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200802/CUL20080215b.html
(CNSNews.com) - In a startling admission, the head of a major homosexual activist group said HIV/AIDS is a "gay disease."

"Folks, with 70 percent of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi (sexual), we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease," Foreman told his audience. "We have to own that and face up to that."

"Who knows how many lives could have been saved had homosexual activists been honest about the dangers of the lifestyle they choose to engage in," he added.

MgS said...

Allow me to examine what you are apparently asserting:

(1) Scientific evidence exists that shows that homosexual activity is dangerous.

Okay - nice assertion, now please cite your source. I suspect you are primarily focused on how you believe gay males express themselves sexually, and are conveniently ignoring the reality that the GLBT community includes much more than just gay males, as well as the equally significant reality that sexuality is but one aspect of a relationship.

(2) Because someone from the gay community said that AIDS is a gay disease, it must be a gay disease

This is complete silliness to read anything into it other than a recognition on the part of the part of the GLBT community that it needs to take an active role with respect to HIV/AIDS in general. It proves nothing of substance - especially in light of the endemic nature of HIV in Africa.

What you are really talking about is irresponsible sexual activity - which is not unique to the homosexual community.

Anonymous said...

Stephen.

I did a little bit of digging to see where that '70 percent' number, that Foreman quoted, came from. Here's what I found.

Matt Foreman stated that:
"....70 percent of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi....."

The above quote seems to have come from a statistics report by the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

"....HIV infection and AIDS have had a tremendous effect on men who have sex with men (MSM). MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents...."

That statistic is based on a segment of the GLBT population, namely 'Men who have sex with Men' and is showing it as a percentage of all MALE adults and adolescents.

From the CDC Statistics pages:

"....The largest population living with HIV (45%) comprised men who have sex with men (MSM), followed by persons infected through high-risk heterosexual contact (27%), those infected through injection drug use (22%), and those who were exposed through both male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use (5%)....."

The above statistic shows that the actual percentage (in this case 45% MSM + 5% MSM drug users) is 50 percent of the people living with HIV that are gay. There is also a very small number of women who are HIV that can identify as having had only sex with women (around 570) which is a very small fraction of the total number of HIV cases.

Further statistics show (from the CDC media pages March 2008):

As of 2003 there are approximately 1,000,000. people living with HIV in the US.

Conclusion:

It would appear that HIV infections are split fairly evenly between the GLBT community and the heterosexual community.

Thought that this might help a bit......

SB

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